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“…got hit by lightening or salt and suddenly mutated into a moving thing?”
The validity of Darwin’s theory of evolution rests on the second largest conundrum
in human history. That is, how did the single cell organism come into existence. Poo-pooing this fact away
with “…just try not to worry about it…” seems quite arrogant. Shall we deny the basic tenets of science?
Even today’s top Darwinists and Evolutionists cannot answer this question even though they have found
kleenex boxes that are over 500 million years old containing petrified whale snot.
Actually, there’s a whole field of science dedicated to that conundrum called Abiogenesis. I’ve already got a script in the can on that subject. And now…we wait.
There may be a whole field of science dedicated to finding the answer, however my point was that nobody really knows. Abiogenesis is a cool name though. I’m sure the Intelligent Design people love using it.
BTW, there’s also a whole field of science dedicated to researching Mentos & Coke. Hey, maybe there’s the smoking gun….?
Going into great detail about it or not, this theory still remains a better explanation than its main alternative… God. According to Darwin, although a situation may seem improbable, there is always a chance because of time and/or natural selection. In the case that God made something appear out of nothing, the question still remains well then what made God? There is no explanation or chance yet put forward to answer that… here, Darwin does put something forward and allows time to do the rest.
No one is disagreeing with Darwin or evolution. The question posed was “where did the first organic single cell organism” come from? Amazing how so many are afraid to say ” I don’t know.”
i dont know
Hey Rick, here are a few interesting podcasts on the topic:
http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/darwin/
For the following (Secular humanist opinion) you will need to find the show on their player which opens up
http://www.pointofinquiry.org/philip_kitcher_living_with_darwin/
http://www.pointofinquiry.org/massimo_pigliucci_making_sense_of_evolution/
http://www.pointofinquiry.org/michael_shermer_why_darwin_matters/
Joanne said “… originally it was just a fluke …” and that was funny because a fluke is one of the lobes of a whale’s tail.
I’m always up for a good party but why are we celebrating Chuckie D’s b-day 4 months early and with an 9 month old episode?
yes the genetic make up remains the same whats your point?
I recently saw someone wearing jeans with no booty in them, AND no undergarments. Will they become whalelike too? Or will their faded jeans just get ratty like mine and die a Goodwill-type death?
planexzeropoint if you think that random mutation is just a bad hypothesis for evolution ok but an actual scientific theory is an explanation of the facts.
there you all have my email now. hope this clears up my position.
I didn’t say anything of the sort.
Dave, if their jeans are ratty their genes won’t be going no where.
if you like alien movies just watch the prophecy trailer. you`ll find it when you type in prophecy teaser 2. movie will come to theaters 2010.
So instead of “the road to nowhwere” they have the genes to nowhere! I think I am beginning to gets it.
this was the rocketboom episode that got me interested in the channel
2:50=hawt.
Well I know my genes are going nowhere.
A lot of people find evolution a difficult concept to grasp… it happens on such a huge time-scale that it’s easier to accept ‘intelligent design’ rather than subtle mutations and selection pressure over millions of years. I think it’s hard to picture a group of 12 things in your mind let alone, 100 or 1000 or 1000000!
making our main goal to reproduce is suicide.
so are cigs but gotta have em
reupload?
planexzeropoint- You, sir, are a fool. I may be a fool as well, but at least I’m not as closed minded.
Just because goats never flew, doesn’t mean other lifeforms didn’t evolve to suit the environment. Your logic is arbitrary, not to mention annoying.
I like rocketboom!
Its not really a huge time-scale if you think about it.. Look what humans have done to dogs just over a few human generations.. We have formed them to our needs as we have with many other animals like cows and pigions..and thats has been done in a very short timespan.
I really like the whole Monty Python aspect of the visuals - goes gr8 W/her UK vibe! More like this pls! =]
True - but those are still the one species. Think about how long and how many mutations require a wing or… lungs. Boggles the mind.
This was the first rocketboom I saw
There’s always going to a missing link. Every time a intermediate fossil is found, there are two more missing links either side and so on.
Bull. Shit.
coool
Well. Reasoned.
It’s a clone.
How come Joanne didn’t get to go play in CO with the rest of you?
Elie for “Burger Queen”!
Yatta, the windshield looks clean to me!
It was such a fun trip!!! :) We worked the entire time, oh, and yes, I did eat some burgers, too. I love getting fast food when I’m away from the city. I can eat like a 500lb man. NOMNOM!!
And Yatta did a good job with the winshield, but ya know… I have to tease ;)
No, I knew a girl in high school whose jeans were practically falling off the bone. I’m *sure* she’s been knocked up by now.
Where’s Harpo Whale?
Did anybody notice that the date she says is February 12th 2008?
we don’t notice things like that anymore, up is down and sideways always turns around
I’m glad you mentioned this. This is my first time here at rocketboom, and I was a little worried that perhaps updates were very rare.
Here’s a website that actually explains the concept of evolution and natural selection fairly well if you have the time to watch some of these lengthy videos. They talk about quite a few different scientific topics but the spend a bit of time on the whole Darwin thing.
http://www.cassiopeiaproject.com/videos.php
It isn’t quite a flashy as the chainsaw removing whale legs but they do have some really cool visuals.
Yea… it comes from a long history of epistemic inquiry. From Pyrrhonism to Academic Scepticism. A “theory” broadly speaking is an attempt to explain the facts. Absolute Certainty is a fallacy so a theory is not “Absolute Truth”. In Science a theory is an explanation which fits the facts, has been peer-reviewed and accepted as an adequate account. Much different than colloquial usage.
Darwin tried cutting the tails off of dogs. He found it was never passed on. Genetic (deformities) are rarely passed on. Never seen a species of two headed snakes. Although some of them live to adult and mate.
Yep, you got to be pretty desperate to believe that fairy tale.
Devolution is what is happening; and we got a whole world of idiots that proves it.
Happy Birthday Darwin. Hope you don’t regret that day. Peace
Is she making fun of it?
Is she making fun of it?
Is she making fun of it?
Frankly, it’s quite beyond me how a thinking person could understand even a fraction of the unfathomable complexity of the human body and think that it developed in all of its delicate intricacy without some intelligent creative influence. The only conclusion I can draw is that there is a God, and He did it. So the question is who or what is this God and has He claimed any credit for His creation? In fact, He has, and his name is Jesus Christ.
This is the same logic that used to be used for chemistry, physics, and other fields.
“I can’t understand it so it must be too hard to understand so therefore some supernatural being must be present”.
Don’t get me wrong, there is quite a bit that scientist don’t understand and I’m not saying that there isn’t a God (or Jesus) but to simply throw up your hands when things get too complex is an (educationally) defeatist attitude.
I like that Rocketboom wanted to make something in defense of evolution, but this is not a very good video. It downplays the amount of time most mutations take, downplays the incremental way those mutations are made, confuses evolution and abiogenesis, and chooses inaccurate and kind of ridiculous examples to make its point. Try it again, maybe.
I like that Rocketboom wanted to make something in defense of evolution, but this is not a very good video. It downplays the amount of time most mutations take, downplays the incremental way those mutations are made, confuses evolution and abiogenesis, and chooses inaccurate and kind of ridiculous examples to make its point. Try it again, maybe.
I like that Rocketboom wanted to make something in defense of evolution, but this is not a very good video. It downplays the amount of time most mutations take, downplays the incremental way those mutations are made, confuses evolution and abiogenesis, and chooses inaccurate and kind of ridiculous examples to make its point. Try it again, maybe.
I’m having a whale of a time. Party on Gene Poole.
Well, Jesus Christ.
(Hey, I wasn’t the one who brought the guy up.)
All I can tell you is, when I was a kid the weirdest adults, and the ones who treated me the worst, were the ones who dressed in funny black outfits and claimed to be doing the work of Jesus. One time as a 4th grader I was knocked to the ground and kicked multiple times by a nun, for the crime of touching a fire extinguisher with a single finger while on line in the hall. I remember lying there on the tiled hallway floor thinking, Jesus would never do this.
I did develop the basic fist-fighting skills needed to co-exist with Cathilic boys at the time. I guess I’m grateful for that.
But like many folks (including our new president), I come from a mix of backgrounds. Some of my relatives think Jesus is da bomb, while others from the other side of the tree think he was just a meshuggah kid who thought too much of himself. I decided long ago not to take sides in this fairy tale war.
I feel closest to God sitting halfway up a mountain side at sunset, wearing good boots and holding a canteen of clean water and seeing no sign of human encroachment to the horizon, and knowing it’s a reasonable hike back to a campsite where a warm first and half a warmer sleeping bag will be weaiting for me. You can keep your big buildings and candles and incense.
I hate creationism. Creationists try to use the complexity of biological life, and some people’s lack of knowledge and understand of that complexity, to justify their religious agenda. They pump out a lot of crap and call it science when in fact it is not, it has no predictive value whatsoever. Some of this crap is purveyed by people who know better, and who believe they are doing God’s work through deception. Uh, right.
It’s sort of the same thing McCain and Palin were trying to do with the economy. Hey, trust us. (snort)
I have never understood the preoccupation with figuring out how life started. Sure, for some it makes a nice career, but the rest of us? Just be glad you got a slice of what the Jews call “the astonishment of sentience.” There are better ways to spend all that time creationists spend trying to prove the unprovable, like perfecting your margarita recipe (Paris, looking at you here….).
last point was the really good.
The comment section seeems to have er… mutated. There goes the neighborhood.
No shit bro-ster, where’d they all come from? not that I’m apposed to new people just so long as they know the protocol here. Er…just what is the protocol here anyway?
“Some of us have long lived on the edge, Daniel. It is possible if you observe rules. Just hang on by fingernails. And ever look down.”
I think that covers it.
Duck! Incoming API on the comments!
sorry, i meant “never look down.”
Wow hey I just about wore out my scroll wheel here. Cool!
Now is timely or what!!!
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Man if I weren’t so busy posting comments on RB, I’d take a crack at it.
I could use the 60 grand.
Oh that was too easy. The answer is that there is no answer because we can never know. Or so it seems. Or something else.
The fact that I don’t believe in evolution proves that it’s not true because evolution should not allow me to believe in something that is antithetical to itself. Haha. On a serious note, what you call defects I like to call signs of God’s magnanimity.
I guess we’ll just have to wait for the Day of Judgment to see who was right since both sides claim their theory to be provable but not falsifiable.
bravo
Lamarck was thinking that physiological changes would be passed on. Genetics was not yet understood so they were making the best guess they could with the tools they had.
i think she meant to dumb it down for the retarded fuckwit creationists inbread morons that believe in magic and all that
it comes down to probabilities, not certainties. I have type 1 diabetes. My kids are more likely than yours to also have it. If the mom also has diabetes, our kids are even more likely to have it.
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Look down, clown =)
Can something that exists originate from absolute nothing? The simple and logical conclusion to the question can be simply wiped from the mind like the wet booger on the tip of your finger, though.
It’s better than Bible stories.
This video explains how Old Greg came about.
TO ALL RELIGIONS
brothers and sisters- yeaH!
OUR NATURE ON EARTH -no matter where it comes from-(since today i call it:UNAE)
->is our all god.
Your gods know it.
And they cry all day.
“Genetic (deformities) are rarely passed on” Deny the big bang, abiogenesis, evolution, etc. all you want. But to say “deformities” are “rarely passed on” (and back it up with ‘no 2 headed snakes’) boggles my mind. Please read a Biology book. Please.
…You do realize that two headed snakes are in fact two snakes, no? Tell me that was a joke.
DNA has a mechanism that prevents most point mutations from being passed on. Natural selection, ‘weeds out’, harmful mutations over time. To be abopted, mutations must be instantly beneficial to survival.
That isn’t observed. Isn’t tangible. But is the only hope of DEAD Neo-Darwinism.
Which is the only hope of the God, ignorant
materialist.
If you believe this, you’ve simply misunderstood the nature of DNA, evolution, natural selection, mutations and Neo-Darwinism.
ps. sickle cell anemia
Sickle cell proves my rule also. It is naturally deselected from populations removed from epidemic malaria locations.
In these single point diseases, modern medicine has interrupted natural selection. By
allowing longer life of the victims, and encouraging their continued reproduction.
However we don’t see these single point mutations accumulating into new morphological
characteristics. (super humans)
Doesn’t happen, the idea is a lame fairy tale.
Pfft Bible stories OWNS.
The theroy of evolution is a complete false premise that any creatures have ever evolved in the natural world in to other species or from other genus. It is the most ridiculous mass hysteria on the planet. How stupid is it to follow a belief and call it “science”?
this video is rediculous mutations r never helpful and always hurtful or nuetral and neo-darwinism wasnt even darwins theory it was devries
mutations are not always hurtful at all..
“…mutations r never helpful…” That is not true. You are ignorant. Please go get a basic science education at a proper university…and I don’t mean bible “school.”
The only problem with evolutionary theory is that you clearly don’t understand it. Go get an education.
was that about the dinosaw?
No, think it was somrones birthday, well, anyway give the radiation back to nature, I would like to see this gripdinosawhawk after this stoneage.
good hunting.
why do you call me ignorant do you even have any proof to back up what u r sayin
Ohh and by technical terms, evolution is not science IT IS THEORY
i didnt say they were always harmful
i said they ethier hurt u or dont effect u
but there has never been a mutation that helped u
hmm u know i thought evolution was supposed to be random
and yet the very words “natural selection” means nature chooses
Again, you show your complete ignorance of basic science. Yes, evolution is a “theory” just like atomic theory, gravitational theory and germ theory. Do you not believe in atoms, gravity or germs?
You need to go to school and learn what a SCIENTIFIC THEORY means.
It’s a misconception… MUTATION is random. Having a gene that makes animals faster won’t mutate/exist sooner because it’s useful, but if/when it DOES mutate, nature “chooses” it because that gene has an obvious advantage over “slow” genes. So that gene lives on in fast animals that reproduce because they have a higher fitness than slow ones. (”Fitness” in Biology)
u still havent answered my question
what is your proof
you still said nature chooses
youve just given it a mind
im also talkin about the definition of true science
that it must be repeatable,recordable, and tanjable
Proof? It’s been proven to the point of over-kill. Go study science. You’ll find all the evidence you’ll ever need.
It’s not my job to teach you science. It’s YOUR responsibility to get an education. You’ve already demonstrated the you don’t even understand basic science terms. Go learn.
I believe in both God and the evolution theory. Intellegent Design, anyone?
“MUTATION is random”
No it is not. Mutation is induced. It is called mutagenesis. This has been proven in the lad, while random mutation is just an after the fact rationalization.
“Factors in the environment are thought to influence the rate of mutation but are not generally thought to influence the direction of mutation. For example, exposure to harmful chemicals may increase the mutation rate, but will not cause more mutations that make the organism resistant to those chemicals. In this respect, mutations are random—whether a particular mutation happens or not is generally unrelated to how useful that mutation would be.”
evolution[.]berkeley[.]edu/evosite/evo101/IIIC1aRandom[.]shtml