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Citizen journalism does has its drawbacks. People tend to form clicks and some messages that need to be heard are not necessarily popular. So the messages that are overly promoted limit point of view. So editors are needed for balanced reporting.
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It’s “no longer available.” Did you take it down?
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Oh this one was boring.
Not really boring, I got to learn new stuff :)
no, your internet just sucked. that happens to me now and again too
Never heard that about John McCain and his “I hate gooks” statement…how come THAT isn’t part of the news cycle? That’s about as newsworthy as Jeremiah Wright, in my opinion…and the fact that no one is talking about it mainstream proves exactly WHY we need CITIZEN JOURNALISM.
good reporting……BOOM!
Ah, more fresh air - - ! Thanks. Interesting how the rest of the world doesn’t need a “First Amendment” to voice it’s free speech isn’t it?
She GOT IT!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f4NRnLm5Jqs
Great report!
When the people use the tools of the media to inform each other, AND THE WORK HAS SOME VALUE TO SOMEONE BEYOND THE WRITER, BASED ON SOME EXTERNALLY DERIVED CRITERIA, that’s citizen journalism.
As opposed to, say, jerking off online.
My beef with citizen journalists is is the same beef I have with citizen lawyers, or citizen 9/11 conspiracy investigators. Most of them know just enough to stir the pot, and have no idea what they DON’T know.
Media Matters? They may be new-age, but they are too well-heeled, in my opinion, to be called citizen journalists. And while they often do very good work, as in the skewering of Michael “autism is a phone disease” Savage, they routinely embarrass themselves with stuff like demanding CBS run the whole McCain interview they sliced up to make their old bus buddy look good. Yes, point taken, they edited the piece to hide McCain’s incompetence — in violation of their own standards, I might add. But demanding they run the whole thing is like demanding the Pope let women serve as priests. Demand all you want. Ain’t gonna happen. Better to pick real goals you can actually achieve.
Oh, by the way, Markos, please stop telling us how easily we’re going to win this election. We’re going to need every hand on deck, not lolling in their basements in front of the computer waiting for the inevitable victory to roll in. The GOP hasn’t begun to fight.
Leron - comparing a citizen journalist to a citizen ______ (surgeon, lawyer, etc.) is one of the standard-issue criticisms of citizen journalism. The fact is, our media used to be entirely citizen journalists, back when the country was founded. Mass media took over the job and we got used to being talked down to. Citizen journalists have broken a few stories in this election cycle, but most of the time, they’re filling in the gaps with smaller stories (or more controversial ones) not adequately covered in traditional media for economic reasons. Or, force of habit.
Remember, you don’t need a license to practice journalism. That’s as true whether you’re a professional journalist, an amateur, or somewhere in between.
Sorry to imply Media Matters was a citizen journalism org - not at all. I was simply asking Karl to comment on whether citizen journalists have been effective as media watchdogs.
the news cycle is so messed up, I’m sure there are stuff 100 times worse than that statement which are unreported, so yeah people have to find a variety of sources if they want news, both citizen journalism and mainstream news, but mainstream news is usually more biased
I wonder what would have happened if World Net Daily would have shown it’s presence.
If it weren’t for fonts there would be no political exchange, at least on the net.
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1823766
THE FONT CONFERENCE
Hey Chuck, I don’t want to come off as an apologist for Big Media. Far from it. I have seen the beast from the inside. I have had stories killed to keep advertisers happy and others rewritten to say the opposite of what I knew to be true, because the editor was a prejudiced SOB with an ax to grind. I’ve worked for editors who were lazy, or corrupt, or just not very bright.
But I’ve also worked for and with some organizations that got it right, and I have an undying appreciation for the skills and dedication that doing so every freaking day requires.
I can tick off a dozen stories that “citizen journalists” have broken that the mainstream media could not or would not touch. Seen the video yet of the cop in NYC body-blocking the guy off his bike during the Critical Mass ride? No journo would have touched that without the video from a bystander.
But the best details — that the cop had been on duty for only two weeks, that he was the son of a well-respected detective and therefore had a little extra cred, that he filed a report claiming the cyclict tried to run him down — were unearthed, in a couple of hours, by reporters who know the cop beat and how to work it.
Once the video got their attention, the mainstream reporters covered this is a way that very few citizen journalists could approach — and they did it on a daily deadline.
I’m looking forward to the morphing of all this energy into new forms — especially as more and more reporters get canned by newspapers unable to figure out how to survive amid the Internets.
Keep up the good work. You remain an example to be emulated.
I thought the “G” word was … (pause for effect) Google.
OK, on a serious note Irwin Tang has a solid point. We are VERY selective in what we choose to slam down. Why is that?
Speaking of Google someone is hoping to give it a good smack on the head. The new kid on the block can be found at http://www.cuil.com created by three former Google employees.
It’s supposed to be pronounced “cool” .
Interesting but my name’s (last name) website doesn’t get a hit on Cuil (10,000 hits) while Google puts it first (30,000 hits). But Rocketboom (114,000 hits) does score appropriately. ummmmm. Of course I’ll prefer Google.
I hope we get to hear from the right as well as the left from this channel but I won’t hold my breath.
Thanks-It’s working now.
I was just thinking that.
I too would like to apologize.
To Jennifer from the cafe at B&N. -For when I said you looked like fun & that you probably knew where all the good bondage parties were. -Sorry you have no sense of humor! :P
Otherwise: Oh Al, you had me at Social Security Lockbox, + you lost me at “Ah Invented Teh IntarNets!!! -Respect Mah Authoritah!!!”
+++Hmmm… Irwin Tang. -Maybe someone should lock him up in a cage in solitary confinement for 5 1/2 years in subhuman conditions (& probably torture him the whole time); -let’s see what he has to say about his captors afterwards…
McCain has been protected by the media. They refused to report his “gook” comments for years, apparently, as he started publishing the racial slur in 1973, and continued through his presidential campaign, if you can believe it.
McCain’s “gook” comment as well as his connections with white supremacy and his war-happy policies are discussed in Irwin Tang’s newest work, “Gook: John McCain’s Racism and Why It Matters.”
I wish I’d been there for this convention! and yeah..keep hammering, Irwin.
I interviewed McCain during the last race..homespun type..but seemed a little “Reaganeasque”..without Ronnie’s Hollywood flair.
Seemed nice, spoke with a homespun smile..and seemed to believe in what came out of his mouth..(which is scarey)..
Bottom line, I detected a bit of a wingnut in his character. He shouldn’t be anywhere near the nuke button.