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…mark hosler of negativlandland…
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strange vision of the copyright legislation
if you are not able to sell your work, how are you able to live ?
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/play_uk.php?id=1215759
When you put something on the net, it is like throwing it into a world wide crowd of people. You will have no control over what they do with it. Why worry about it?
mark hosler……Spoken like a true flower child of the ’60s. And as we all know communism works so well….as long as somebody is in charge telling you what you are allowed to do or not do. Then or course all of these internet carriers are all out here doing it…..for the good of the people…..nothing to do with making a buck. Why not have Mark fly over to Italy, take Michalangelo’s name off of the David statue and just put his own on there. After all, it is just art that belongs to everyone. And I thought young people stopped taking peyote and other substances that give rise to thoughts like this.
What I see now on the Web is, a glut of banal videos (YouTube, Google Video) and photos (Flickr), a few clever items like Leave It To Bush, which is Flash and took time to make, and a whole lot of corporate garbage.
We need a system whereby decent time-consuming work by amateurs can be paid for. And Google Adsnese isn’t going to be it.
must see!
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/v2/play.php?id=4205
last one, promise.
What I’d like to know is, who is that obnoxious ranting fool on the Mermaid video? Talking about “I’ll sue you, you’ll never use this again for anything without my permission…” yada yada. It sounds real, like it was recorded at some press conference or hearing.
Did you see a plane?
I saw an explosion.
Did you see a plane?
I saw some crummy footage and an explosion.
Did you see a plane?
I hear the Pentagon has 88 hi-tech cameras in the specific area that was hit
Did you see a plane?
What happened to the hotel and gas station videos that were confiscated?
Did you see a plane?
Amazing how a plane went from 7000 feet, swoopped down with a precision turn most professional pilots couldn’t make, and whammed into the Pentagram (can’t say the real word twice, it’s copyrighted)
Did you see a plane?
What a perfect round hole with no real plane wreckage anywhere…total vaporization
Did you see a plane?
I didn’t see a plane!
Guess the plane, the 2 seized videos and the videos from all those other cameras around the Pentagram are being protected by the US government for copyright reasons.
Guess they’re keeping it in their bedrooms.
I didn’t see a plane, did you?
I loved the footage of the cat and Ariel bitching about copyright… beautiful!
Thanks Amanda and gang!
I had forgotten about negativeland over the last few years….
Great show…..more stuff like that would be welcome as long as it is stirred up with your regular seasonings of sillyness!
Tycobrahe: Are you saying that he has no point whatsoever? That “repurposing” artwork should never be allowed? Or that the original artist/owner should always be compensated? Does that include…
1. City photographs that include buildings or sculpture?
2. Samples or looping in music, where the source material is difficult (or impossible) to discern?
3. Mixed media work that includes newspaper or magazine clippings?
4. Landscape photographs that include portions of someone else’s property? (The National Park system would make a mint, if this were the case.)
Less ranting. More reasoned thought. Please.
The way the word “sample” has been used in this way has been bothering me for years. It’s just a nice way of saying stealing.It started bothering me when rap and hip hop performers didn’t have the discipline or talent to sit down and learn how to play an instrument so they stole music from real musicians, stuck a little phrase in it like “can’t touch dis”, and called it “sampling”. Then they had the nerve to call themselves “artists”. Try robbing a bank and telling the Judge that you just wanted to “sample” the money.
To say that just because a book, recording, product, or idea is well known by the general public that it’s up for grabs is ridiculous.
Thanks to everyone at RocketBoom….Hard to believw U2 sued… Bet they wouldn’t given the choice today…people are wacked, people don’t listen..keep up the good work negativeland and RocBoo…
Great topic..What a can of worms this is. Alot of these “creative ” people do not seem very creative if their art is dependant upon sampling from others?
Now if two people simultaneously have the same idea as in the case of the invention of the light bulb then its a matter of how fast you can get your act together..Hmmm?
I love this one. Ideas are just that, ideas. If you want to make money on your ideas, then you get to make the stuff yourself, create a whole reality around that (branding; microbranding) and sell it. It’s a challenge, but possible and realistically, the future, IMHO. Self supporting through our own contributions. Making money makng art is good. Claiming the original concept is ours, well that just isn’t true.
information shall be free
Not my information.
When music meant something!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89i4_Rvchs0&search=Jeff%20Beck
No sampling required. ‘nough said.
Hosler’s view seems very restricted / confined; perhaps this comes from living amidst walls covered with framed pizza? If no creation can be ‘owned’, and as the labeling of something as ‘art’ is subjective, then everything should belong to everyone? for example, should Apple not have the right to own its MacBook design? Many belive the Mac is a work of art as well as a practical, commerical instrument used to further create art. By Hosler’s logic, everyone should be allowed to ’sample’ and clone MacBooks because Apple has chosen to release them to the world, or does his reasoning only apply to non-tangible, intellectual artistic property? Sounds very socialistic, or maybe that’s the intent?
Instead of sampling take a song and make it your own through musicianship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Cgpz4CL2U&search=Jeff%20Beck
Leave Froot Loops where it belongs… in a cereal box.
“If you want to make an honest living as a musician, then learn how to play your instrument and hit the road or teach or do what Ives and Borodin did and take up a non-musical profession to support their composing habit. One creates one’s own art to add to the conversation, not to pay the bills.”
Right — so all musicians should become insurance salesmen? Art is art, but it’s also *work*, just like fixing the plumbing.
Yes, Haydn had the good fortune to work for Prince Esterhazy. Please check your calender, though. It’s not the 17th century anymore, bud.
Simply put, artists should have the rights to benefit from their work for a reasonable period of time.
Really, James, it’s one thing to come down on a corporate entity for continuing to extend a copyright for a non-reasonable time, but it’s quite another to lecture artists on what they ought to do.
er .. 18th century…
One of my favorite Jeff Beck compositions…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE8I5seKJjM&search=Jeff%20Beck
A musician’s musician.
Sample this! :)
U2 are formulatic and talentless and have probably stolen a few ideas in there music, apart from u2 there not that many big ‘international rock’ bands out there.
If america had it everything would trademarked and patented - even the sounds of musical instruments.
The founder of godaddy (an american who registers internet domain names) got rather annoyed recently when he could not make money from registering s*x.eu in europe it being a ‘generic’ term
The good news is europe considers the american patent (& trademark) office of subnormal inteligence - that is it works for corporations, and that it could not determine prior art (alrady done by somebody else already) from a cup of coffee - im patenting videoblogging next so pay up.
If you created it it you deserve the credit,if you only filled in the form and then hire nasty lawyers to collect money then your the republican mafia, I think you can class Bono and u2 as as that.
Thats the message here.
“The good news is europe considers the american patent (& trademark) office of subnormal inteligence - that is it works for corporations…”
Much of the US has the same opinions regarding the Patent Office. It is the government agency whose director once announced that it was no longer necessary as everything patent worthy had already been invented and patented.
I think his views are a little simplistic but more realistic of what could (or should) be.
Love the intro smile and thumbs up Amanda.
Sooo… I take it that you don’t mind that I put a videoquote on my site? :-)
Amanda-
In terms of politics and Washington you are totally off the boat and I have told you this. I must tell you that I love the idea of liberals just getting drunk at the thought of Karl Rove.
Nonetheless, TODAY’S SHOW WAS EXCELLENT!!!! This is what you do best. This is a rare thing for me to suggest but if you are your viewers should check out Da New York Times Magazine article about Google’s idea about scanning in all of the world’s books and in it they deal with the copyright issues you mention.
Cheers,
RF
Leron, you don’t have to sell me on Hendrix. He’s my all-time favorite musician. The man did things over 35 years ago, musicians with all their hi-tech gadgety still can’t replicate. Like many black musicians sadly Hendrix and all the legendary Blues and Jazz musicians were ripped off by the coporate entities who claimed to represent them.
The clip is sad in a way, cause Hendrix died that same year in September ‘70. That concert was really his last big splash and you could feel the pain in this rendition of “Red House” Everyone was getting on his case at the time … the record company wanting him to stick to “formula” music, whereas Hendrix wanted to branch out (imagine which galaxy he would have taken us to) mix in jazz musicians and make music, make art, not cookie cutter music like we have today. Also his black brothers were getting on his case to promote their agendas, like the Black Panthers, etc.
So talking about copyright, sometimes you can’t even create what you want to, let alone have some twit come along and you rip you off.
See genius like Hendrix couldn’t be ripped off in the artistic sense because anyone who knew music would just be labeled a clone…
How times have changed. Now you can’t even distinguish one group from another.
The only group I ever heard that covered a Hendrix tune and put their their own creative twist on it was “Chrissy (?) Hinds & The Pretenders” playing Room Full of Mirrors.
Yeah, when music meant something!
Thanks Leron!
I posted Jeff Beck cause he’s still around and is one of the most underated rock/blues/jazz muscians around. “Listen to the CD “Who Else?” The man still has chops.
Lenny who? Gimme a break!
Hendrix. I shook the man’s hand. Salvation Club, Sheridan Square, July 20, 1967. Great show. Started at midnight. 1st song: Sgt.Pepper, 2nd song Like a Rolling Stone and then he played his stuff. Cosmic.
I literally don’t agree with anything he said. That was not s brilliamt LIBERAL point of view, it was an ill-informed INFANTILE point of view.
Last time I checked, Michaelangelo was a true artist and genius and concerned about mankind, Society, and the betterment of all. If he’d had protection for his work, he may not have had to live so much of his life in poverty. Imagine what he might have accomplished if he hadn’t had to worry about money.
I literally don’t agree with anything he said. That was not s brilliamt LIBERAL point of view, it was an ill-informed INFANTILE point of view.
Last time I checked, Michaelangelo was a true artist and genius and concerned about mankind, Society, and the betterment of all. If he’d had protection for his work, he may not have had to live so much of his life in poverty. Imagine what he might have accomplished if he hadn’t had to worry about money.
I am really pleased to see this on RB, I am a friend of marks, well, I have met him at a number of conferences, and dinner parties. I think he is an excellent speaker, and I have had a few awesome conversations with him that trailed off long into the night. I almost entirely agree with his point of view. I feel like if someone samples my work, I am honored that it was liked enough to have the effort put into using it in another piece. Of course there are always exceptions to this, and he basically said that.
Thanks for the show Amanda, and thanks for this interview Chuck.
(P.S. This is the first time I have commented on RB before, though I have been watching for the last 6 months.)
So I love the whole Creative Commons movement… BUT the thing that makes it all horseshit is that we all have to make money. When it comes down to it, every artist is an artist for exactly as long as it takes for them to pickup their checkbook.
I’m sorry, but it happens to everyone. As soon as the content is valuable, the answer becomes “no”.
Will it happen to Rocketboom?
This was lame. “If you put it out there, expect me to steal it and make a profit for myself.” But “I’m better because I slam the corporate culture”. This guy must be a liberal arts major from NYC Community College.