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the problem with having ’sponsors,’ is that they can leverage their bribe money they give you and control your content. there’s nothing like one of those late night calls from a big advertiser to tell you that you’d better talk about something else to chill things down quite rapidly.
so i suggest that you utilize (at least something like) google adsense, which is very cool since advertisers get no leverage against your content whatsoever. please. think before you do a deal with a devil. of course, if you got a call from google about anti-google stories. oh well.
but seriously. the main problem that the corporate media has today is severe sensorship due to sponsored advertising. it is a dying shame.
-Dave
WOW…big stuff!!!
About time you two start making some money. Nothing wrong with that, people.
And I love the way you are so completely up-front about the plan.
A$A…YOU GO!
censorship* heh
and i don’t know why that posted twice. oh well.
Anyone who doesn’t understand your need to pay for your bandwidth and what not, and dare I say, be able to make a decent living doing this…well, I imagine they don’t understand a lot of things in life, so this will not be a new sensation for them.
I hope it’s not too much hubris on my part to assume I have the 4 bucks to subscribe every month, but provided that I do, I am in as soon as you have it set in place.
With extra content, it will probably be cheaper per minute than an ep of Batttlestar Galacitica on iTunes.
yay! i love it. Can’t wait for the subscription based rocketboom.
rocketboom and advertising? Rocketboom and paying for it? well, why not? but. please, please make it comfortable (especially for foreigners - I am from Germany)… maybe you could - besides on your website - put it up through iTunes (so people don’t have to sign in a hundred times on hundreds of sites)
Excellent! This is very inspirational.
This is a step in the right direction for all digital content producers that distribute online.
It is really wonderful to watch individuals that are following a vision than a quick buck.
I expect to be posting a similar eBay ad soon for a “Rocketboom inspired†4-H video blog. Non-profits that help kids need to wet their beaks, too.
Enjoy the ride…
the phone link doesn’t work.
you do what you gotta do, rocketboom. i’ll still be here.
also…
remember that scene in wayne’s world where garth and wayne are talking about not selling out, yet they’re clad in reebok, eating pizza, drinking coke and popping aspirin? too funny.
Wayne’s World2: they have the exact same skit in that movie that you guys just did. It was still sorta funny though.
And, You -are- selling out, RB. (I probably would have done so long ago if I were in your position, so I don’t blame you)
Nice to see you digging your heels into the ground, though. Just please, PLEASE try not to attach yourself to something so heavy it can move you around like a C130 towing a ping pong ball.
The main reason I think RB is so super duper fancy is that its well done and feels like its from ‘us’ and not ‘them’.
And now my 2 cents are in.
Thanks!
Here’s a few ideas:
1. How about selling comments?
For a price an RB viewer could pay a certain price to have their face/comment/thoughts added to Rocketboom.
You could put 5-10 on the end of each episode of people saying wacky or deep (but short) comments (pending approval of the RB censors).
2. Get Rocketboom out of the studio, and do some shows on location - for a price.
3. Offer tours of the RB studio!
$5 per person?
Just some ideas. I would be less irritated about advertisements if they were blog/vlog related (ads for OTHER sites). I just hope we don’t see ads for Wal-Mart or Mountain Dew.
Just for the love of god, don’t do a pledge drive.
Is a paypal account too riff raff, too street? You can also(just maybe have all the episodes on a DVD) but this would also add to the cost of production. Don’t you guys worry, even PBS gets sponsorship from Chevorlet and Monsanto.
Up until now it has been: Sow, sow, sow. Now you can Sell, sell, sell and then reap, reap, reap. It is the Amreican way.
excellent! let the crapfest begin!
And an entire episode today to condition us into acceptance of your new corporate needs! Fantastic! The content just keeps getting better!
Seriously though, I think you could get at least $.06 a month for the show.
Sellouts.
See, I’m broke, so if you start asking for a fee to watch Rocketboom, however good I think the show is, I’m not gonna pay. I have other priorities.
I don’t personally mind sponsors and ads. But please, for us broke people, and for all of those around the world who don’t use the american dollar, please don’t make us pay for the regular content.
brem
Reality rears its ugly head. Perhaps this can be handeled with class and a dignified decorum. You, at Rocketboom, have a desirable target audience. For some reason, many sophisticated, enlightened, progressive thinkers and dreamers reguarly tune in.
The right advertisor could be profitable to both Rocketboom and the advertisor, while maintaining your creative intregrity.
You must pursue this matter with the unmost prudence and forsight. Please, no hamburger clowns.
A latte and Rocketboom — that’s how I start my day. Hip, entertaining, loaded with humor and free!
Wouldn’t the weekly viewship be mostly the same people everyday 130k vs. 1M?
Your creativity is showing again.
get excited rocketboom
because CUSTOMER SERVICE RULES!
Hi Amanda, I think it’s a great idea to have sponsors. By the way username id wanna_b is back again here are some of his comments:
wanna_b:
“does anyone else smell a publicity stunt?
if the viewership is such, why go to ebay to hawk the wares?
January 30, 2006 02:01 PM”
Amanda please ignore this person, it’s not even worth talking back to this user.
Great show and try to sell RB items(your videos in dvd) via ebay. I will buy them with pleasure.
Amanda and Drew,
My first reaction:
OMG TEH SUXORZ ME HATORX ROCKETBOOMORZ ME NO WATCH EVER!
My second reaction:
Wait, this is OK! Amanda is just trying to make some money for the site.
My third reaction:
Woah! Supscription RB! Pwnage.
Serioulsy, I have always, ALWAYS hated advertisments on my favorite sites. I love those sites that have been able to keep ad-free forever, such as Homestar Runner. However, I’d love to see a supscription RB. I mean, outtakes of Amanda, behind the scenes action, HD; I will be willing to fork over $4 a month to see that.
My two cents,
David
Battle not with monsters
lest ye become a monster
and if you gaze into the abyss
the abyss gazes into you.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Without sponsorship we wouldn’t have Shakespeare’s sonnets, Holbein’s Ambassadors or the film career of Pia Zadora. I’ll need to see the terms and conditions before I get disapproving, (it would, of course, be the first time I ever read those bits) but I’ll trust you. To paraphrase Stan Lee, “With great revenue comes great responsibility”, and even if it’s only $4.00 a month - somewhere in the less-developed world that’s a month’s salary - you become accountable, to an extent. I am puzzled by those who choose to abuse you here, it speaks to me of a meanness of spirit. If a subscriber chooses to do so I suppose the case is altered. You may have to give up your living room. I hope not.
Oh, and I meant to ask, where is nomowindow getting his/her free latte?
I’m for the advertising on Amanda’s T-shirts. Hey, have a Super Bowl special and hock the ads to the big corporates. So long as the content remain untouched, a profit-making venture would work. Ask McDonalds or Bowing Or Exxon-Mobil (ESPECIALLY Exxon-Mobil)..etc.
Sorry but there just is not enough substance here to warrant your making a profit. We all already know some doubt our leaders and the climate is doomed. Must do something better with our last few dollars than give you a free blog???
Hi Drew, Hi Amanda
I think this idea of advertising is good … as others said, you deserve some money … and need it to continue.
Besides, I guess you are interesting enough for those companies: you had this amazing audience by doing what you do everyday, that’s why it’s interesting for them to do advertising with you. If they try to influence you, they’ll just destroy the magic between you and us, you’ll lose some viewers, and at the end those companies will lose too. In addition, you’re independent enough to refuse any undue influence.
And about making people pay, remember that it will be hard for foreigners … remember this huge Dutch wave, your field correspondant abroad, all your international viewers. Let us watch your show freely.
life is good. Enjoy.
blue balls power.
Re: Subscription Fee
You’ve proven yourselves to be more than worth a nominal fee. FWIW you have my blessing
Brian H.: Reality rears its ugly head.
Sadly so true. I can’t pay for the subscription, but it all comes up to you. But keep in mind that those of us that can’t pay don’t want to have to navigate the forest of pop-ups just to watch the last ten seconds of Rocketboom, only to be overwhelmed by another flood of pop-ups.
TeraLink Was Here! ;-)
I like Rocketboom and check it daily. I am, however, a conservative and feel the best way for you to get money for the site is to ask the folks at NPR how they do it. They bash Bush and the Repubs all the time and it hasn’t hampered their access to money. You don’t want to be known as a money grubbing capitalist do you?
Seriously, it is easy for everyone to say they will pay, but when it comes time to pony up, it will be far less then you think. Go the advertising route.
well, it all makes sense and seems pretty thought through, and I wouldn#t object to it.
BUT: Why the ebay auction??? Isn’t it rater weird to have this highest-bid-mentality? I mean, there could be some nasty clients like oil companies or hunting associations or… I don’t know - the Republican Party.
Why not chose yourself, whose money you take? Because sometimes it DOES stink.
Daniel B. from Germany
Wow, this is a tough one.
You need to keep the tone “hip and cool”, and the advertising needs to be the same.
How about SNL style? Is it a “real” commercial or a “fake” commercial? If it’s a really funny, well-done commercial, you’ll laugh and enjoy it but still be interested in the product, because it’s “hip and cool”. That’s your brand image, use it to your advantage in your choice of advertising.
Enjoying rb more and more each day….
Will the subscription version still be downloadable (as a file) or will it have to be streamed to stop the average person from copying it?
The “pros” will have no trouble capturing the stream. Streaming, like door locks, does little more than keep honest people honest.
Streamed or not, I look forward to subscribing to support the show.
Oh, what about your content, though? Once you are charging will you no longer be able to feature other people’s content without their permission? Will you no longer be able to tell them to “pound sand” as Drew once said when this topic came up before?
Sounds good to me…a lot of crap is out there for which people are being paid…something creative like RB deserves to make money!
Titus complained to his father the emporer Vespasian of a tax on the contents of the city’s urinal, to which Vespasian held a coin under Titus’ nose and asked, “Does it smell bad?”
Not that I’m advocating a tax on urine.
Go with the story from last month’s Wired Magazine. Put up Google Adsense and ask all your dedicated viewers to defraud it. Right Scott - we talked we know it is coming. Just think an average of say $0.40 net per ad, and have every viewer each day just CLICK ON ONE - rocket BOOM - I got $48,000 in my pocket. Maybe every now and then one of us will buy something from the Google Adsense advertisers, but take your cash while the getting is good. Put something about Mortgages on your site as those advertisers pay real good through Google Adsense.
Also I am having a guess the winning bid for your advertising contest. I will probably bid it up to get close to mine, but if you want to participate just check out http://www.VentureCentric.com.
Awesome show.
- tjo
Great idea, guys! Forget all the critics as it’s quite normal that people need some money for living.
I really like that approach and with that innovative approach you will a) make sure it’s in Rocketboom style and b) make sure more people hear about it than usual (like with AdSense).
So I am looking forward to see what’s coming out of it.
(I also don’t have that feat that advertisers will buy content. In fact they could have done this already by just giving money).
Regarding copying: People could also take that version with ads and just remove it.
But as it’s coming daily they would need to do that daily and this will probably not happen (besides: The visitors of that edited or downloaded version would only be able to watch it with delay). And $4/month or so is really not a big deal.
So good luck with that!
– christian
I can’t wait to see what the ads look like. I’m sure if anyone can do entertaining ads, it will be you guys.
I don’t mind advertising so much, as long as:
1) it keeps Rocketboom free for regular content.
2) it does not interupt the podcast.
3) it conforms to Rocketboom’s high level of excellence and humor.
Keep up the great work please!
Do anything BUT SUBSCRIPTION!!!!!!
NO SUBSCRIPTIONS PLEASE!!!!!
HEY AMANDA:
YOU ARE SUCH A GREAT PITCH-LADY THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD SELL THE BOX ON EBAY. CALL IT “AMANDA’S BOX.” (wink, nudge) SOMEBODY WILL WANT IT! EVERY WEEK YOU SELL SOME MEANINGLESS OBJECT, THE MORE TRIVIAL, THE BETTER. THIS IS A SATIRICAL SHOT AT THE WHOLE AD INDUSTRY. ROBIN HOOD WOULD BE PROUD!
Well, I suppose we’ve mooched off of you and Andrew long enough. I don’t really mind advertising (nudge, nudge, wink, wink), but I think I prefer a 3 or four buck subscription price. Over the past six months I’ve come to believe your collective hearts are in the right place, so good luck however you decide to go.
No product placements? I thought you’d cashed in long ago. Hasn’t this all been one big ad for the TI 99/4a multimedia controller and fantasy generator?
I just got hooked to rocketboom about a week ago so I’m new to this and I must say one of the things that appealed to me was that the video podcasts were free. Please don’t charge a subscription fee, it will surely hamper your viewership.
How were you guys making money over the last year anyways?
I may be an ignoramus but do subscription RSS feeds work? Or will those of us who might pay be forced to manually download the files? ‘Cause yuck.
Have you considered the PayPal donations? Virtually every site I pay attention has gotten a few bucks from me that way.
I have an idea for fridays and I begin my bid from here too: I offer 6 cows, 15 chickens, 24 pigs and 20 bags full of vegetables for a dance cheek to cheek with amanda through a webcam at the 15 last seconds of the show, I wait answer.
this whole episode was an ad
Amanda and Drew,
You go! I’ll be happy to subscribe, but I won’t mind an ad or two at the end of the free show either. I wonder how many of the nay-sayers walk out of movies because they show commercials. Advertising is, unfortunately, an unavoidable evil of modern society, and if you guys can finally get some scratch for this wonderful Vlog, more power to you.
Viva la Boom!!!!
More power to ya. It doesn’t seem sustainable to keep putting in the quantity of time that you (and your editors) put in without getting paid a decent amount. Personally, I don’t think I’ll mind the ads, especially if you play them at the end of the show.
Just think, if Amanda becomes a millionaire from this she can then transform herself into the Hummer/Hybird lady all the time and we will get to see the funniest side of her forever. If Amanda can be hilarious pretending she is rich: Imagine how funny she will be when she actually is rich!
As long as the content remains the same great humorous insightfulness, then I’m cool!
Go forth and capitalize.
I say congrats! If you guys found a way to be profitable with Rocketboom, then go for it! Being from a video production background, I understand how nuch time you guys must invest in doing Rocketboom on a weekday basis. if you’re onto something that people are willing to pay money for you to continue to do, then why not? Are you suppose to just do this forever without just rewards (and be poor)? As long as you stay true to your concept, then take it to as far as you can! At least you’re earning an honest living doing something you enjoy!
And for those getting upset about having to pay for Rocketboom, if I understand correctly, it’s still going to be free with commercials, like how ifilm.com works. If you REALLY like Rocketboom, then you can pay the fee to get no commercials and more content. What’s wrong with that?
I say put on your Ninja outfits, fly to London, steal the crown jewels and wear diamond earings on your next show!
The Queen: Oh Charles, I think those American Ninja’s have fleeced us. Bloody well, I always hated wearing that stupid crown, made me look like the margarine lady.
Isn’t Amanda a British name…oh Charles!
A viking in a previous life? From the dominacan republic?
Wow, now we’re talking vlog.
Milt
If I had something to advertise, I’d love to see an ad on RB!
Good on you guys!
I hope your hard work pays off. You both deserve it. Really, I want to see RB go on. Looking forward to seeing what the subscription service might hold for us fans.
Hmmmm. Sorry but I refuse to pay a subscription fee regardless of how much I enjoy your show. But that’s just me. Hope it works out for you though.
Nice knowin’ ya.
oh come on keep doin’ it for free and lets see how long you survive in nyc. we could all follow your decline on-line to homelessness and tattered clothes with a pawnshop old video camera from site to site looking for free space while you two waste away in cyberspace. Now that would be interesting as well……don’t let eating get in the way of “morals” here. I’m sure finally your fans would take up a collection to keep you going. What ever happened to starving artists anyway?
Here’s the plan. Sell Rocketboom cards. Yes another plasic card, as if we don’t have enough. Have it activated at the place were it’s sold, e.g. Starbucks or what ever. The unique card number becomes your pass into Rocketboom.
Why not subscription? No advertisers presure, it pays the bills and you may get rich. Lets not get greedy now $10 or $20 cards, make it affordable for evryone. Be totally web savy. I would buy one with my latte
Thanks, But I think I’ll keep my old box….. Gofer it!!! I will never pay to watch RocketBoom (or any other web feed). Egads Amanda, give Giligan back his hat!! Love you Gs! Stand up and fight, screw bush, have a great life and be loyal to your ginnies. Keep on Keepin’ on!!!
I think the poster called “just giggle” has chosen the wrong place. No striptease here, buddy.Move on, nothing to see (literally speaking, of course) here. Ah,the e-gentlemen.Oh well…
About ads and/or subscription fees, well i think its fine you make some money out of your effort. People must have income for survival. Many people don’t question to pay for things they enjoy, like cable/satellite TV, so why not?. Seems RB is widely enjoyed out there. As i understand there will be a free version (ads inside…insert intel inside music here) for the ones not willing to pay and a premium version.The last ones will get more content.Seems quite reasonable to me. Go for it!
Greetings.
Hi Amanda,
Rocketboom is the most entertaining thing on the net. Don’t sell yourself short (cheap). Do bigtime corporate commercials Rocketboom style for serious money. Make them separate links so viewing is optional.
amanda: you don’t need ads cause you’re your best own!
JUMPING THE SHARK?
Rocketboom is about to jump the shark. This just reeks of commercialism. I bet you’re just waiting for some lucky eBay break (aka, the million pixel page). Oh well, I was fun while it lasted. At least I can say that I knew you way back when.
That’s outrageous! I used to be a fan. But for way less then $3-4 a month, I can buy a subscription to any business magazine I choose. (On the left, Fortune, Newsweek. On the right, Forbes, Time). Heck, call it entertainment. I could choose US, People, or even National Geographic. Any of these choices would provide much more than 3 minutes of content, plus I can read them in the loo too. No thanks, Rocketboom. I’ll keep my paid magazine subscriptions and up my charitable contributions by $36-48 per year.
my, the natives are getting restless this morning!
an apology to wanna_b seems like a good idea right about now, doesn’t it?
What about accepting public service announcements from non-profits? There are many organizations that can benefit from your reach. Or have Amanda where a t-shirt from a non-profit organization. Imagine the media buzz created with Rocket-boom sponsoring an event like “National Caffeine Awareness Month” You can have Amanda swear off diet coke for the entire month. I bet she couldn’t do it.
How about ” The Exxon -Mobile Rocketboom Show” staring Amanda Congdon, with Willard Scott and your “Smucker” weather report. With a name like Smuckers it has to be good. We’ll be back after these messages.
I’m just sad I can’t afford the eBay bid. Perhaps a text link or small banner ad for us smaller businesses that would advertise?
PS, i would never use my money to “leverage” your content. I like what you do already. If I didn’t, I wouldn’t associate my business with it.
Don’t apologize for making some money to pay your costs, and, to well … make some money. Nothing wrong with that.
For some odd reason, I could really go for a Diet Coke right about now.
The subscription idea is great — and maybe it might diminish your need for supplemental advertising. As long as you keep the freebie site for people who can’t afford to sub and to draw in new viewers and subs.
I think the no porn/no poker policy is all right, because you reach a broad audience, and probably shouldn’t feature advertising of products not suitable for minors (should you add alcohol and cigs to the list?) Rocketboom doesn’t want to launch a generation of drunk, horny, chain smoking card players. Seriously, I don’t think you have to get wacky and ban every company that someone may find objectionable (Wal-Mart, etc).
The eBay auction is a cool idea, because it allows the marketplace to set the price, and also opens up the opportunity to non-traditional sponsors. The eBay auction may also draw in new visitors to the site as people will stumble on the auction who have never visited Rocketboom. I’m not sure what kind of commercial tv exposure you’ve gotten, but you’re certainly ready for your close-up, Amanada, and the eBay auction is always a great hook to interest anyone from Jon Stewart to Katie Couric.
I did like the idea of you auctioning off the “black box.” Now that is thinking outside of the box.
It’s a great experiment. Here’s the thing — you can always do something different if it doesn’t work out.
Go for it.
3…2…1…launch!
alexey
How will you continue to justify your use of the creative commons, non-commercial, share-alike, license?
Love the ebay idea, can’t wait to see who wins!! Following the bidding will be fun!! But IMHO, the subscription idea stinks. I just hate subscriptions. I know it’s not much…but still. How many doggone subscripitions can one person have!?? Soon I’ll have to subscribe to air!! Can we all just blog along?? AND get the extra goodies like others who have unlimited financial resources!!??
And no matter how cute your t-shirt is…well…maybe I would like one of those. But I won’t buy Diet Coke. Have you ever soaked a tooth in cola?? Whoa. What IS that stuff anyway!??
Oh Fab I’m glad theres lemon freshened borax in you…..
And the next Black box has to be smaller than the first
great idea to add extra services to the subscription service….i would have paid for it even without the ads….kep it up amanda & team
NOOOO!!!!You are selling out? Not my Rocket Boom. And a subscription format for all the cool things you were giving us for nothing…WAAAAH! I guess when I saw you briekly on one of the cable news programs the other day it was a matter of time. (SIGH)….Anoher one bites the dust
People are already relying on Jon Stewart to give them their news because the major networks take “articles” written by advertisers. Amanda and Drew, I’ve been a dedicated viewer since the article in the New York Times and I’m happy to see that you are doing what you need to do to keep the site and it’s participants going.
Please, *please* be sure to acknowledge what is content and what is advertising. Otherwise, giving us the option to either see ads or subscribe seems like a perfectly reasonable decision.
My cat’s name is Mittens!
I read somewhere that the Internet routes around greed. I think that precludes capitalism, and markets in general. It will be an interesting test. Good luck! I think you are intelligent, witty, pretty, and I pity any girl that isn’t you tonight…no wait, hey give me back my keyboard…Karl who? Of course I love The Leader of the Free World (snark) Nossir, I did not snark…
If You are getting paid by the sponsor then why do the people have to pay to?
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Rocketboom T-shirts will make you lots of $$. I probably won’t pay for a subscription. I hope the ads are non-intrusive.
Sounds like regular old boring TV to me. Good luck.
Instead, what about having special guest hosts like Michael J. Fox or Heather Locklear? That would drive the viewership up and….
…what?
What was that?
Oh, you want to PAY the RENT, not JUMP the SHARK. Oh, I see. I get it.
Oh. Well then. Hmmm.
Never mind.
It’s a shame….unfortunately, most things on the web are looking for ways to make money. Airamericaradio.com is now starting to charge money to listen to their previously FREE programs.
I guess I can’t blame you..but I’m still dissappointed.
We currently live in a mercantile capitalist economy, and unless we wanna go and live in a yurt in the forest somewhere and live off root crops, we’re locked into that system.
Which means we have to pay the rent and eat. Some of us give away 8 hours+ of our lives to some boss, get paid and then use that cash to go and do the things we REALLY want to do.
Others take a risk and do what they want to do for nothing - hence the term ’starving artist’…but eventually starvation means death.
From my little knowledge of video production I’d say Amanda’s pieces alone probably take up many hours and its DAILY dont forget, so unless she wants to be stuck in her room for ever, that means more work to cover her ‘days off’ when she can escape and have a life. So in many ways this is her ‘fulltime job’ - except she’s doing it for nothing.
For all the disappointed people out there thinking RocketBoom has sold out - what is this assumption that somehow the internet economy is divorced from the real one?
The dot-com crash should have taught us that it isn’t.
There’s a lot of content on the net that’s ‘free’ but somewhere, somehow, sometime, somebody had to go out and create it - and eat. And pay the rent.
So they either have another job, or they give the content away and eventually starve, or somewhere, somehow, sometime, somebody has to pay for it.
Like I said, that’s capitalism and I might not like it. But it is what it is. If any of you can figure out a way round it, I’d love to know.
As my name says…. advertisements… no, thank you
I’m not gonna lie, as soon as this show starts a subscription/advertising campaign, it will lose alot of its appeal.
A simple google adsense column is non intrusive and would probably work.
I’m disgusted. I hate advertisements an used to like you so much but now I think I’ll not watch you anymore
aight there\’s a broken link and a mistake between the line of /rb_06_jan_30 and the line of /rb_07_aug_23
to make it proper, the rb_07_aug_23 video was placed on rb_06_jan_30 page
no wonder i couldn\’t access the rb_07_aug_23 video on the rb_07_aug_23 page, it was on the rb_06_jan_30 page!!!
managing rip-offs!