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Hey Amanda, today’s show was awsome. Are you going to charge RB in the future, if so how much are you going to charge RB fans? Keep up the nice work adn good luck.
why does rocket boom distain the US Military so much?
It is not disdain to be against the mayhem committed on our troops in the name of a war we should never have entered. Recall the lengthy WMD evidence presented to the UN as irrefutable reasons for an invasion of Saddam? All lies it appears at worst or an exmaple of God awful intel at best.
When we expend American lives, primarily young American lives, one would hope they fight for a truly noble cause in a war that can be won. Check back with Iraq in 5 years time and we shall see how things went.
Our troops have no choice, they are following their orders and hoping for the best.
More americans should be more critical of their government. George W. Bush doesn’t deserve your trust.
Great show today Amanda.
Borf, thanks for your thoughtful response.
However, my question was directed at the people of Rocket Boom.
I’d like to know why the people of Rocket Boom hold the American Military in such contempt.
The people of Rocket Boom seem to be against GW Bush, against the US Military, against…against…against.
But it is unclear what they are actually for? Entertainment? (perhaps)
Brem: you have keenly pointed out that “…Bush doesn’t deserve your trust.”
Please tell me who, in your oppinion (a name please) is deserving of my trust.
I was in a foxhole in a typhoon when Neal took his big step and I know something about support. Wishing for the old days is not it! Crying over spelt milk is not it! Praising successes is! Too bad you guys wish Hussein was back in power and you had $2 gas again. I’m hoping for $10 gas. Buy some MCEL please.
Borf and Brem - If that’s your stance on Iraq - a tyrant that killed his own people by the thousands and supported the murders of innocents in Isreal by paying the families of suicide bombers (btw - I’m not jewish) - yes, our Intel was bad, horrible - but we were still justified going in…
So, what’s going to happen in Iran? - do you think anyone else has the balls to do something about proliferation? ..Iran doesn’t need Nuke power - they are the number 5 oil producer for OPEC - they have plenty of energy — Do you think ANYONE else is going to stand up to them? The europeans and most of the EU are pussies, plain and simple - it will be the Americans to actually step up to the plate - once again.
Just think how badly YOU wanted to protect your country, home, & family after an attack 4 years ago that murdered over 3,000 in NY and DC… Don’t ever forget that… We are protecting ourselves from future days like that one - in Iraq and elsewhere….
To all those in Love with our president and his war machine. Lets ask the crippled vets of the Iraq WAR a few years down the line how they made out at the VA hospital? The ones I know who went to Nam and still have health issues could give you an earfull on how bad it is.
uh… hello?
Hasa anyone just credited RB with being anti-military, right after the supported the funding of a veterans fund???
Hello-ho? Anybody home?
Maybe God will figure out those Americans, i probably never will…
Greetings from the old and experiencd continent,
Daniel B.
Fritz, by “war machine” do you mean the US Military? Please explain.
Also, why does Rocket Boom disdain the US Military?
And that’s the cost of freedom Fritz … The men and women sacrifice plenty and many give all - they should be forever honored for doing so — They certainly have my respect, their sacrifice allows the rest of us - including you and me - to live the American dream - - - That dream has never been given freely to anyone .. That is why you fight..
nab,
Thanks for the response.
Do you (nab) work for Rocket Boom?
Or is it your opinion that Rocket Boom is not anti-military?
Yes, the speaker distinguished between supporting the war and supporting the troops. But she never said she supported the troops…she (& Rocket Boom) has, IMHO, yet seems to ridicule the efforts whenever a new opportunity arises.
Rocket Boom, IMHO, has never made “it clear that it (they) support and honor our …military…”. It takes more than words to do that.
Again, why does Rocket Boom disdain the US Military?
Listen Jude,
is this some kind of “if you didn’t say you’re with me than you gotta be against me” world view?
Oh, and by the way, you haven’t pointed out yourself that you “support and honor the US military” - which in your argumentation proves that you just as much “distain” the troops as Amanda.
But if you need an easy target, take me. I certainly don’t “support an honor the US military”, I say it plain and simple. So? Some people don’t honor God, others don’t honor my privacy or the tree in soeone’s back yard. What’s wrong with that? Some of the US military sure are nice people, as are some of my country’s military, but they certainly don’t need my “support”, and “honoring” the military is something that my country’s history has had far too much of - not every action is right and good, jut because the military is involved. If you doubt that, let history be your teacher. So asking questions about your country’s military instead of blindly “honoring” it may be the best service you can do for your country.
Greetings from Germany,
Daniel B.
“Supporting the war and supporting our troops are 2 completely different things.”. One could say that Bush and his friends only support the first, and the rest only support the second. So Bush goes to war, but he doesn’t give the military proper funding: the troops have to build Mad Max-style humvees by rummaging through the junkyards of Iraq for scrap metal that can be used as shields. There are blogs out there that ask for donation so a mother can buy body armor for his son - because the military won’t provide one for him. Can’t provide one for him, because there’s no money! If he ever gets that body armor and he gets injured, God help him, because Pentagon won’t cover the costs of taking care of the injury if the soldier wasn’t wearing standard issue gear.
Instead all the money goes to contractors that charge too much, e.g. Halliburton.
Jude, watch properly, Rocket Boom never said they didn’t support the troops. They certainly don’t support Bush and his war, and Amanda says they are “2 completely different things.”. That way she is implying her non-support of the war doesn’t mean she doesn’t support the troops. Why do you always have to have everything said explicitly to you?
Of course people like Jude might have understood the message correctly (if it managed to survive his own reality filter) but decide to carry on arguing on a point the other didn’t make. It’s how the wacko right-wingers work: change and obscure the message!
Amanda- I agree with Rick. You do what you do well. I may disagree with some of your content but I enjoy this short stop in my day because you go about it in an entertaining/informative manner.
If you ever need the southwest slant on things give me a buzz.
leron, netsharc, netsharc, nab,
Thanks for your responses. However, I was asking RocketBoom why it disdains the US Military.
While your opinions are interesting, I suppose, I am interested in Rocket Boom’s position.
Is it true that Amanda will be on CSI?
Black always wins in Damka. I thought everyone knew that.
Now finally we are talking…Amanda I do agree with the last words you uttered.
Cheers!!
Regarding Mr. Million Little Pieces. My local book store has a stack called: Recently Deceased. So just above the Hunter S. Thompson and Wendy Wasserstein, you can now find James Frey.
Thanks Drew, I appreciate your response.
How much do you and Rocket Boom plan on donating to the program you mentioned to help returning soldiers?
RB sure developed a right wing fan base. Marketing genius.
Once again, a very wonderful and informative show. I am, however, deeply concerned at how many people do not understand this basic axiom: one can support the US troops 100%, but be absolutly against the current government utilization of the troops as a means to an end that is immoral and unethical.
Simply stated, some of us as citizens don’t buy it, we are non beliverer in this particular solution to the threat of terrorism. Al Qaeda has/had nothing to do with Irag. Billions and billions of tax dollors spent, countless lives lost, and very little has been done about the origional problem of the terrorist threat in America. I feel for the troops and support the troops, but don’t believe in the reasoning behind the original invasion.
I believe there was bad intel about Iraq. When G. W. was asked if he considered the nuances before deciding to go to war. He said “I don’t do nuances’â€Â. Kurds, Shiites, Sunni’s, Ten Tribes. “I don’t do nuances’â€Â. Bad Intel! I plan to donate to the Fallen Heros Fund. How much is none of your FCUKing business.
I had written a long text explaining my point of view, but I just ditched it out.
It is clear that people who feel strongly about this won’t change their opinion.
One thing though, I feel the political right is really desperate and using cheap shot tactics to get its way. Not fun to watch.
Then again, I’m sorry to all democrats, we Canadian just elected a new Bush ally. *sob*
;)
Hi everyone
As drew pointed out, the point was not about war but about wounded soldiers.
But to answer to those who spoke about Europeans as ‘pussies’ and so on, and the need of USA going to war to be secure.
As Daniel B. from Germany said: we had too much of war. This doesn’t mean, to join Drew, that we are showing disdain to our troops. Troops can be used to peace (yes yes), to humanitarian actions (inside and outside … many would have appreciated it in New Orleans), even to threaten other countries to attack you.
However, to those who see Europe and others as weak or ‘pussies’:
We have certainly more history than you Americans have, more experience. Maybe we are old, but we are like young adults trying to live with the others, accepting their differences. We learn the hard way that violence is not a solution: honourable adults fight with words, or convince with words, but not with fists. We became adults after WW II. But we have still a lot to learn.
The USA is like a teenager: you think you can change the world, can dominate it like a superhero, can shape it according to your vision of life and your culture. You still answer with your fists. In Europe, we’ve done that for centuries, culminating with colonization and world war II: Greece (Alexander the Great), Italy (Rome Empire), Spain, the Austria-Hungary Kingdom, France (think about Napoleon), UK, Russia, Germany, and so on. You will not escape to the fate of those empires if you continue like that: how many years without a war in the USA since WWII? The results: terrorism and threats are still there.
Last week, the US police found a tunnel of more than a mile between Tijuana (Mexico) and San Diego: many bombs and terrorists could have passed through this … you’ll never be secure with your method. You FEEL secure on the SHORT TERM, that’s different.
You’re becoming tyrannical (look at the USA, ‘inventing’ proofs to go to war), you’ll become like the people you hate. The more violence, the more fanatical enemies, the less your ‘fight’ is Right. Martin Luther King did not fight with guns, nor Gandhi.
In Europe, we would like to see you become adults more quickly than it took us.
Amanda and Drew,
As a vet, I would like to thank you for the distinction between supporting our troops, and supporting the war they fight.
Keep up the good work, and “Nulle Bastardo Carborundum”.
(Don’t let the bastards wear you down)
Doug
Supporting our troops is a great way to say thanks for “VOLUNTEERING” to go to war for us. They all know up front they have a pretty good chance of ending up in Iraq during their tour. We Viet Nam vets didn’t have a choice (unless you call Canada a choice!), the draft made it for us. So, enjoy your freedom and let the military do what needs to be done!
i previously read that the amputation number increased, because the modern soldiers got body armor.. back then they just died
Right on Leron and Netsharc you said what I was trying to say. There are tens of thousands of US troops in this war who were injured because idiots in the Pentagon wanted the post invasion force to win the hearts and minds of the people in unarmed Hummvees.
Rocketboom posted a way to make an effort to help those troops and some dummies want to say they are anti military? Knuckleheads
Did you notice that the computer level is not working like a real level would work. I air bobble would move to the top, not down.
I am not in the millitary, nor have I ever been. I am 37 years old, so not some young, unreasoning “kid.”
All of my grandfathers, biological and through divorce and remarriage served in the military, either in WWII, or in other risky duty. One damn near had his leg shot off in Germany. One served in the Pacific theater as infantry. One died as a test pilot. My uncle served and was disabled in Viet Nam. All are and were patriots. NONE of them that served in war ever liked talking about their experiences. As they say, “War is hell.”
I loved my grandparents (sadly, all have passed on), and my uncle (thankfull still with us). We didn’t/don’t always agree politically. I am against this war, and think the President has lied us into it, mismanaged it, and has focused more on his petty schemes than fighting the real war on terror (hint: the battleground WASN’T in Iraq, and it’s NOT usually in our phone lines, and when it is, there are laws on the books to cover it). So when someone says that I am against the military because I am against the war, I don’t know whether to laugh at their utter stupidity, or weep for the future.
Eric W
Nice T-shirt
Booty, Where?
hi andrew b,
I watch this show regularly from England and we get the same type of scaremongering over here. Isn’t it good thing for the overall balance of good and evil that the press (who don’t bomb people) can offer up a few alternate views? If you don’t like RB, and opposing points of view upset you so much then don’t watch it. Why does anyone need to ’stand up’ to Iran anyhow? Have you seen them crossing their borders in recent memory to invade one of their neighbours? And why should they be dependent on oil if they choose not to be. If American and British foreign policy was less aggressive then sure there might be some local conflicts, but that’s all they’d be - local. Do you really see a million Iranians attacking the beaches of the USA? How’re they going to get to you without crossing a lot of sand & land and an ocean by which time you’d have a pretty good idea you were going to get your asses whooped and you’d be able to do something about it. The threat isn’t that they’re going to come and get you, its that you’re going to keep climbing into their ants nest and get yourself and probably a lot of other people stung. It’s just like nature, if you come across something deadly with lots of legs that you don’t like the look of then usually its like that as a defence mechanism so you don’t try and mess with it. Just let it go peacefully on its way and no harm will come to either you or it. What you shouldn’t do is TICKLE it and ask it to show you its weapon of mass destruction. Also if they (those terrible Iranian folks who presumably don’t care about their parents and children the way we do) did actually build a bomb it’d be no match for the thousands of nuclear weapons America, Britain and Israel are pointing at them, so who are the real aggressors here? Maybe if we backed off and respected their rights to self governance and the results of their own democracy without imposing ours - then there’d finally be some peace in the world. But you see America and Britain don’t want peace do they? Because there’s no profit in peace and no turmoil to create a smokescreen to raid other territories and steal their natural assets and resources. You should watch South Park Andrew - The real threat’s from the Canadians anyway. They’re the ones supplying the Russians and Chinese with the guns that are being smuggled into Iran.
angus
I’m pretty sure that dookie master video was set up.
Plus, its call Checkers
Contemptuous exploitation of wounded military. Now that’s funny.
Great show today! Nice sweater. I’d give you another plug on my blog, but all three readers already saw the first two.
I pour Green Jello on top of my computer and swish it from side to side…whatever drips I lick off the desk, table, floor!
I’m planning to use a different colored Jello for my iPod. Who needs computer games or new guage meters anyway…
The Jello gage-o-meter is way cooler and tastier.
Video coming soon….to a Starbucks near you.
(now that’s sublimnal advertising… Think about Drew & Amanda $$$)
Damn typos!!!!
(now that’s subliminal advertising… Think about it Drew & Amanda $$$)
thanks for a nice show.
but the better satire’s the discussion here in the comments’ section about war & GB!
let me say as a frenchman - i know, you saved our asses in wwII -: if you do not recognize irony & satire, you’d better be watching FOX…
I would recommend “The Psychology of War” by Dr. Larry LeShan. Best explanation of why we go to war that I’ve ever read.
Milt
The Sound of Young America interview (up in the Jesse Thron comment) was a good outing for you two. It explained a lot and should be madadatory listening for the regulars both pro and con. Well done.
“2245. How Many More?”
http://watchingthewatchers.org/story/2006/2/1/3104/90804